ExSkinnyGuy:
For me a fairly rapid and unhealthy gain is helping my belly fatten up fast.
John Smith:
Speaking about "rapid and unhealthy gain" seems quite subjective to me.
What I will delve into is pretty off-topic - and I will make a thread about it any sooner - but how can we define and distinguish a seemingly "average" gain from both slower and quickier tiers of gain?
I think what I was getting at was for me personally to gain in the belly and torso I have to do it fast and cram in on all the bad stuff like trans fats, dairy, carbs and also not exercise so muscle definition goes too. For me that is unhealthy but gets my body to where I want it, soft and out of shape, and I like the wobble in my gut that comes that.
I have gained before in a slower and healthier manner with plenty of whole foods (which does still make up 50% of my cals but now I doubled that with junk) and with a 'healthy' gain and light exercise I grow all over.
I do still want to experiment with pure junk food and gainer shakes, but consuming up to 4000 cals everyday now is a challenge enough.